Traders, Guns & Money : Knowns and unknowns in the dazzling world of derivatives

  Author:    Satyajit Das
  ISBN:    0273704745
  Sales Rank:    36483
  Published:    2006-08-04
  Publisher:    Financial Times Prentice Hall
  # Pages:    352
  Binding:    Paperback
  Avg. Rating:    5.0 based on 18 reviews
  Used Offers:    12 from $18.10
  Amazon Price:    $19.79
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Traders, Guns & Money : Knowns and unknowns in the dazzling world of derivatives
  

“I had been in derivatives for over 25 years. Many traders hadn't been born when I stumbled accidentally into the arcane world of derivatives trading. The Indonesians were at the fag end of that career. How did I get there? I had followed the money. I had ridden the tide and currents of financial markets. I had not known very much then. Even now I only knew the many unknowns. How did I get here? It was a very long story. Send Traders, Guns and Money is that story…..”

Warren Buffet once labelled derivatives “financial weapons of mass destruction”. Unlike the military kind, financial WMD are not hard to find. Many great companies use them. These businesses use derivatives to make money or protect them from risk. It's a simple case of greed or fear. Or is it?

In derivatives, whoever you are, there are things that you don't know that you don't know. These are the real risks of derivatives. They're generally left to the client to discover. So, if you're entering the dazzling world of derivatives, ask yourself this: What do I know? What do I need to know? What don't I know? What am I doing?

You can find the answers in Traders, Guns & Money, a sensational and controversial first-person account of the business of derivatives trading and the financial products industry in the spirit of Liar's Poker. It is a true insider's view of the business of trading and marketing derivatives for a living. It details the nature of the business, the players, how money is made and lost, and the deceptions that underlie the entire process.

Funny and poignant, and written in a wry and wickedly comic style, the book provides the ordinary reader with an insight into the seeming madness that underlies financial markets and the out-of-control process that is trading in complex financial products that few understand.

Traders, Guns & Money throws light on the culture, games, and pure deceptions played out every day in trading rooms around the world, and played out with other people's money. It describes the processes by which a small group of gifted, if avaricious, individuals parlay their knowledge of the arcane world of financial products into wealth, leaving shareholders, clients, regulators, and the tax paying ordinary public to bear most of the risk.

This is the story of how one set of clients discovered the perils of unknowns in a derivatives deal. This tale will leave you amazed, and this book will make it all clear.In the sometimes dazzling world of derivatives, Traders Guns & Money shows you how we got here and tells it how it is. Go on, follow the money.

An accessible companion and a wise counsel, Traders, Guns & Money weaves together three core themes:

Known unkowns: if you're entering the dazzling world of derivatives, ask yourself this: What do I know? What do I need to know? What don't I know? What am I doing? This book will make it all clear.

Follow the money: an insider's, expert witness account of the rise and rules of the world of derivatives. This book will show you how we got here and tell it how it is

Send traders guns & money: the story of how one set of clients discovered the perils of unknowns in a derivatives deal . This tale will leave you amazed, but wiser.

"Ever since Warren Buffett memorably described derivatives as "financial weapons of mass destruction" there has been a thriller waiting to be written about them. Derivatives have frightened otherwise right-thinking people for some time. In part this reflects a natural tendency to fear what we do not understand." Financial Times

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07-02-08 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  A must for anyone with money that you may know what the teller in your local bank is selling you
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I had very high expectation of it because of Frank Partnoy's praise in the back cover. Partnoy's Fiasco "was" the most interesting read of this topic, about how derivatives traders and salesmen reap the face off their customers. I love it so much that I search on Google in order to have a look of the Indian author and to know him more, which I found on the Publisher's site an interview with the author and his photo. Below please find some shortcut for your reference. Hope you like them.

"It's not a technical book. It is part thriller, part expose. It a fun read but it teaches you something about the business. It will show how these markets work. It's also satiric, irreverent and black in its humour...It is a collection of lots of stories. Here's a few:

Story 2

Around 1999, I met an ERM (Enterprise Risk Management) advocate,. Dudley , the head of risk for an investment bank. He wanted to meet me. I had no idea why. I soon discovered that Dudley had reached ERM. It was the "new", best-est thing. It was revolutionary. Dudley was at the forefront. He would give me an example of the problems he was trying to model.

"Let's say our head trader has a complex trading strategy only he understands, yes". I nodded. I didn't think any strategy could be that complex, at least if a trader had put it on. But it was quite likely that no one knew about it. The trader may have not told anyone. "Let's say the trader bicycles to work". I did not think this likely. Traders prefer Porsches. Not wishing to prolong the discussion, I did not disagree.

"On the way to work, he is hit by a bus. His mobile phone is knocked away from him and damaged. He is unconscious. Assume that simultaneously market prices move due to surprise news. This news is vital to the trader's position. He does not know. Nobody knows what to do with his position". I nodded. "That's not all. Assume simultaneously, there is fraud in another bank". I nodded in real agreement. That was very likely. "This bank goes into bankruptcy. It creates a financial crisis. This of course affects the trader's position. He doesn't know of course. He's unconscious". I was hoping he would get to the point soon.

"At the same time, assume there is an accident at a power plant. There is a blackout. The bank's back-up generator fails. The mechanic forgot to check the fuel tank. The bank's computer system goes down. The trader can't get prices or model the risk on his position". I reminded Dudley that the trader was unconscious, maybe deceased. "Exactly", he replied cheerily. It went on.

Eventually after a tragedy of biblical proportions had been outlined, Dudley reached the end. "I am modeling the probability that such an event could occur". For me, it was one step too far in the search for "holistic risk". Risk management seemed to have completed its transformation into pure entertainment. Dudley seemed the epitome of a risk manager who would drown crossing a river that was 12 inches in depth on average.

Story 3

Nero and I marketed together a fair bit. I provided the technical bits. He smoozed the clients. Nero and I were making a pitch for a new structured product with a portfolio manager from an overseas fund over dinner. Dinner was a 3 martini, 2 bottles of French red wine and cigar and brandy affair. I kept looking for a moment to interject and explain the structure and benefits of the trade. I didn't get a chance.

Towards the end of the evening, the fund manager turned to Nero and said: "The girls are coming up to my room, right?" I looked at Nero surprised. "You didn't forget the stuff, it drives the girls wild?" Nero muttered something and carefully steered the conversation in a different direction. After dinner, Nero and I left the hotel. Nero stopped and drew his hand in a cutting motion across his throat. "Remember IBGYBG," he said. "I be gone, you be gone. Got it kid." A week later the portfolio manager was on the phone. "Been thinking about your deal. Like it a lot. Send me a term sheet. I think we can do something there." We closed a juicy trade for $200 million booking profits of over $2 million.

Years later, one of Nero's boys was pitching a deal to a client. Coincidentally, I happened to be a consultant to the customer. During the presentation, I asked some questions. Nothing personal, I was doing my job. The presentation wasn't going to plan. Eventually, the salesman stood up and said: "The product is unsuitable for you. It is intended for someone less sophisticated." I rang and told Nero. He killed himself laughing. True lies, all of them.


(Review Data Last Updated: 2008-08-27 04:22:50 EST)
03-11-08 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Great for finance people
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Just enough quantitative stuff to be dangerous, and enough humor and anecdotal info to make this a page turner from start to finish.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2008-07-03 03:41:57 EST)
02-29-08 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Make a difficult subject an attractive reading
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For me the world of derivatives are a known unknown and after reading the book, it remains like that. Derivatives are complex indeed if you don't have experience or are involve in it, but this book helps to provide an idea about the mechanics of the financials markets. The author guides you in this book telling real stories, some from his own experience, about how derivatives have evolved since its beginnings, covering the whole range of derivatives from futures, options, swaps and credit.
Reading the newspaper today, it said that some companies had made some good profits from our country currency valuation against the dollar, thanks to swaps and futures operations --- at least now I have an idea on what they are talking about. I liked this book, I laughed in some parts of it, and for sure I am eager to read more about the subject.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2008-03-11 19:17:59 EST)
02-29-08 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Make a difficult subject an attractive reading
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For me the world of derivatives are a known unknown and after reading the book, it remains like that. Derivatives are complex indeed if you don't have experience or are involve in it, but this book allows you to know more of the mechanics of the financials markets. The author guide you in this book telling real stories, some from his own experience, based on the whole range of derivatives, from futures, options, swaps and credit.
Reading the newspaper today, it said that some companies had made good profits from our country currency valuation against the dollar, thanks to swaps and futures operations --- at least now I have an idea on what they are talking about. I liked this book, I laughed in some parts of it, and for sure I am eager to read more about the subject.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2008-02-29 07:55:52 EST)
01-21-08 5 1\1
(Hide Review...)  Fantastic!
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After reading this you wont trust a banker/broker ever again (not that you should have before).
The book is written like a set of short stories. They just flow smoothly and along the way you get to learn about how the world of modern finance has become the creature that it is today. Want to know more about how the sub-prime crisis came about? Read the last section. Wonder how Goldman Sachs got out of it without so much of a scratch? The "tone" of the book will let you know. Just a really insightful and pleasurable read if you like the exciting world of high finance.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2008-02-29 03:35:16 EST)
01-08-08 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Bulls-eye
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For anyone who has been in the business since the advent of financial futures each chapter is a wonderful ride down memory lane (a.k.a. Wall Street) - where fear and greed intersect. Each chapter fittingly a gapers block of financial wreckage and black humor brought on by appropriately licensed Wall Street professionals. A must read for anyone who's been on the Street and those aspiring to.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2008-01-22 14:35:45 EST)
12-31-07 3 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Traders Guns & Money
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This book is an authoritative explanation and review of a very abstruse subject "derivatives". The author is very knowledgeable although sometimes too technical for the average person to understand. I think he could have explained his subject without the use of so much profanity. Mr. Das uses this colorful language to portray the lowlife that is handling billions of dollars of our investment money. It certainly was effective. A must read if one is concerned about our debt and the greed of our money managers.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2008-01-09 19:52:07 EST)
12-13-07 4 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Interesting
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This book lacks a general story line, but provides a good general overview of the history of derivatives without getting into the technical aspects or valuation techniques. It is well written and can be quite humorous at times.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-12-31 18:02:00 EST)
11-27-07 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Well Worth The Time, And Heed the Warning
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Thoroughly enjoyable read into the world of complex financial structures with anonymous introductions to a few of satans sons who peddle the wares to the not-so-innocent buy-side. DAS weaves his tales with a refreshing sense of humor, something that is in painfully short supply in the industry. If your looking for an understandable survey of current, and not-so-current, financial innovations and the havoc they can bear, then this book is for you.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-12-14 12:45:24 EST)
10-22-07 4 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Excellent Explanation of Derivatives
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This book is well written, and explains how derivatives work, and how they are traded. The writer has an excellent sense of humor, and clarifies some difficult to understand concepts. This book helps to explain a lot of the problems we've seen in financial markets in the past years, and doesn't make you feel any better about the future of financial markets.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-11-28 07:55:54 EST)
09-22-07 3 1\5
(Hide Review...)  A little too cynical
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This book offers a great amount of information and is very interesting. Being a derivatives trader myself, it does however strike me as just a tad too cynical.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-10-22 23:35:19 EST)
09-22-07 5 8\8
(Hide Review...)  The starting point to the world of derivatives
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"Knowns and unknowns in the dazzling world of derivatives" great subtitle and the author really delivers. I love books on finance. Possibly stemming from being dropped on my head as a child. Some are pretty brutal to read but this one is as entertaining as it is educational.

I was familiar with some derivatives like futures contracts and options, before reading this book. Now derivatives like CDO (Collateralized Debt Obligations), CCO (Commodity Collateralized Obligations), currency swaps, interest rate swaps, or even inverse floaters make sense to me. Obviously I am far from being an expert on any of these, but after reading this book I can now understand why Warren Buffet called derivatives "Financial Weapons of Mass Destruction".

The author does a great job educating you in story-like fashion. The book told of numerous investors that ended up getting screwed by some pretty good salespeople at different dealer firms. Buyer beware comes to mind time and time again as I read these episodes. The treasurer of Orange County California got in way over his head because he was making a ton of money. Which he attributed to his financial wisdom. Then when interest rates went against him and his county lost 1.5 billion dollars he changed his tune saying he had some kind of brain defect and could not understand numbers. That would have been handy for the voters of Orange County to know BEFORE they elected him to office.

I guess there are many reasons to use derivatives like avoiding taxes, moving risk from highly regulated areas to less regulated areas, using loans as collateral for even bigger loans, or repackaging bad credit in a way that transfers the risk to someone else. The more I learn, the more I am amazed that supposedly very intelligent people see these as a great way to make money. It just goes to show that most people invest in things they do not understand.

I read an article by the author, Satyajit Das today. In the article he mentioned that "1 dollar supports 20-30 dollars worth of loans" and that the derivatives market at the moment is valued at 485 trillion dollars, or to make that a little more understandable, 8 times the global gross domestic product. 8 times the GDP of the entire planet. Wow.

This book is a great introduction to the world of derivatives and I highly recommend it.

(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-10-22 23:35:19 EST)
05-02-07 4 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Enter the World of Derivatives
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An insight to the somewhat strange world of derivatives trading, the greed, the risk and the people. I cant say I agree with every word of Satyajit, but it is a real page-turner, the kind of book you finish in a day.

"Derivatives dont kill people, people kill people"
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-09-22 19:18:21 EST)
04-12-07 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  An Entertaining and Educational Reading Experience
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I really enjoyed reading the book Traders, Guns, and Money: Knowns and Unknowns in the Dazzling World of Derivatives by Satyajit Das. It is an interesting book in that it is a fictionalized autobiography of Das. As the book outlines the author's professional life in finance, it describes how he got involved in financial derivatives. The primary purpose of the book is to give a primer on derivatives, how they were created, how they are used, their benefits, and their dangers. The author's use of humor along with the hilarious vignettes of his finance associates (Nero, Clem/Crem, Adewiko, Budi, etc.) and funny anecdotes from his career made the book fun to read.
The book really helped explain what exactly derivatives are (giving me a good review of some of what I was taught in college) and how they are used today. I also appreciated the in-depth analysis of several well-known instances where derivatives were used by investors and companies which really helped to demonstrate their application in the real world as well as the oftentimes hidden dangers of using these financial tools. I found his discussion of the currency swap done by the Walt Disney Company in the 1980's to be of particular interest to me. Despite the fact that I previously read the HBS case study during a Derivatives and Risk Management course which I took as a student at Harvard, Das's explanation of the incident really gave me an even better understanding of how exactly the transaction was structured and how it eventually went wrong. His explanation of why Disney's financial advisors made the deal so complex was also amusing. (You will have to read the book to find out.)
Moreover, Satyajit Das really underscored the complex nature of derivatives and their use in either speculative bets or in hedges. Previously, I had considered these financial tools as an efficient and safe way to hedge. However, the author points out that there are significant risks even when they are only utilized as a hedge.
Hence, I really enjoyed this entertaining and informative book. The author explains complex concepts in a clear, readily understandable, and comical way. I would recommend this book to anyone who wishes to learn more about financial derivatives or the world of finance in general and who does not mind being entertained at the same time.
Thank you for your time.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-05-02 06:01:53 EST)
03-30-07 5 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  Fascinating intro to the world of derivatives
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Satyajit Das has performed a great service to all of us who have heard talk of derivatives and wondered what all the fuss was about. It is both an entertaining and informative read and an indictment of the investment banks that crank these financial products out. He shows first how Wall Street fools its clients by creating incomprehensible products chock full of profits to them as seller but markets them as the financial cure for cancer, without including the long and unwelcome list of potentially deadly side effects in their sales pitch. Second, he shows how Wall Street has fooled itself into believing they understand and have properly hedged their own exposure. The system will inevitably blow up, but the traders will already have moved on with their gigantic bonuses made using other people's money and someone else will be left to hold the bag and clean up the mess.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-04-12 11:28:13 EST)
03-02-07 5 2\2
(Hide Review...)  Fun ahoy, but shameful joy......
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Laugh out loud funny. Well-known characters on nearly every page, often thinly disguised. Transparent retellings of trade horror stories pad out the material (P&G, Orange County, Metalgeselenshaft AG) which the author had nothing to do with, but his front line tales of bogosity, cretinousness and horrifying stupidity passing as brilliance, only to end in tears is the kind of shadenfreunde this reader cannot deny enjoying. A must read.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-03-30 10:37:03 EST)
01-09-07 4 (NA)
(Hide Review...)  A double agent's account of his life as a spy
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As a derivatives trader I've seen many of my colleagues who just enter the field paying hundreds of dollars for thousands of pages of Mr. Das highly unreadable and stupefying compendiums on the subject of structured products. It is impossible to imagine a more serious and devote approach to derivatives than that exuding from his technical volumes. In comparison this new book feels like a gush of fresh air and while demystifying and ridiculing what used to be his bread and butter Mr. Das may look a bit cynical it is an honest book full of interesting and plausible examples and stories. For novices it can be very educational and for experts quite entertaining. It is like a memoir of a spy who turned out to be a double agent on his lifetime in secret services. When a guy knows so much who cares what side he was serving on?
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-03-02 19:37:34 EST)
11-17-06 5 3\3
(Hide Review...)  Required reading for finance majors
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This is not another journalist musing on the financial world. This is not an academic explanation of how financial instruments work. It's something else entirely -- a rare inside glimpse into the world of derivatives by a literate professional who's been a handshake away (or closer) from the major events in the market. Das leavens a series of technical discussions about particular strategies with more entertaining glimpses into the culture the drives the deals. Although I have bones to pick with the book's episodic structure, I can't think of a better way to get a crash course in how the capital markets really work.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2007-01-09 11:19:13 EST)
10-28-06 5 1\1
(Hide Review...)  A Must Read
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If you work in Derivatives, you should read this book. It is quite entertaining. You don't have to agree in public with everything the author puts forth, but there is insight to be gleaned especially for junior people. It is important to hear both sides of a debate, however disenchanted one party becomes. This book is a lively one-way exit interview for a derivatives professional who sugarcoats nothing.
(Review Data Last Updated: 2006-11-18 09:25:26 EST)
  
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